This verbal battle sparked by a technical discussion has also drawn the community's attention to the two ecosystems.

Written by: Pzai, Foresight News

In the blockchain field, friction between different projects often occurs due to various factors such as technology and community.

On November 27, Movement co-founder Rushi Manche fired at Scroll employee Toghrul Maharramov on X (Toghrul had directly referred to users as "e-baggor" in some tweets, which even developed into a MEME within the Scroll community) and pointed out that "almost no one is willing to be recognized as EVM L2 because of your work." This verbal battle sparked by a technical discussion has also drawn the community's attention to the two ecosystems. This article outlines the events that transpired, aiming to help readers understand the context.

Technical Term "Definition Power"

The whole issue began with a discussion about "postconfirmation" on November 26. In blockchain networks, postconfirmation refers to the rapid confirmation of a new block's correctness by validators after it has been created. This process occurs during the confirmation phase of the blockchain, aiming to speed up transaction confirmation and provide a certain level of security. Movement, as a modular Move framework, has constructed a "postconfirmation" mechanism that first obtains L2 instant confirmation through economic guarantees by staking L2 MOVE tokens, followed by state updates after proving on L1. The validator network verifies the new block, submits the signed proof, and confirms or rejects the new block of the staking contract on L1.

Toghrul raised questions about Movement's transaction "postconfirmation" and communicated with Movement researchers Andreas and Franck. The point of contention between the two parties was whether "postconfirmation" is merely another form of preconfirmation. Toghrul insisted that this mechanism is just part of the overall confirmation process, and he questioned whether "postconfirmation" actually minimizes trust bridging, arguing that it is essentially equivalent to a Polygon sidechain and cannot be called an L2. Monad's DevRel ZenLlama also leaned towards the preconfirmation viewpoint. Before the situation escalated, these discussions remained focused on the definitions of technical terms.

The Fire Ignites

In another tweet, Rushi criticized that "only protocols aligned with Ethereum proposed by Uniswap or Flashbot are getting attention," and he stated that thousands of terms have been created for "useless" Ethereum L2s. Coincidentally, Toghrul had just finished his argument with Movement researchers, and he naturally fired back at Rushi, directly pointing out that Movement forked directly from Aptos and utilized some of the "useless L2" infrastructure he mentioned, ultimately leaving a remark: "Please put down your arrogance."

Perhaps the last remark about arrogance angered Rushi, who subsequently replied with a long tweet, "I have only respect for some members of your team, but Scroll and you might be one of the worst projects in this field, to the point that at least 6 of your colleagues (half of whom are no longer on the team) came to me to apologize for your behavior," criticizing his former employer Scroll and exposing team behaviors including "predatory" airdrop distribution, team dumping (secondary market shares and high valuations being taken over internally), and airdrop front-running, leaving a comment: "Technical debate is one thing, I am sure we can improve. If you want to jump ship with Franck, then go ahead. Otherwise, improve your own damn chain so it’s not an outright scam."

On November 27, at the node where the MoveDrop airdrop opened for registration, criticism of Scroll received more support from community users, and this debate sparked by a technical discussion also transformed into part of project marketing.

Interestingly, Rushi also stated that a quarter of the Scroll team had applied for positions at Movement in the past two months. Toghrul quickly responded, stating that he had already left the Scroll team. However, at the time of his reply, he had not removed his Scroll badge on X, to which Rushi commented: "Even he is ashamed of Scroll."

Community Reaction

After Rushi's attack, Toghrul officially stated that he had left the Scroll team, with some users humorously saying "thank you for your 'postconfirmation'," and others inquiring whether Toghrul would join Solana, to which Solana founder Toly remarked, "We are reckless enough already."

In this incident, a large number of community users condemned Toghrul and even the Scroll team, and he retorted to some users, "You must be getting a bigger MOVE airdrop for replying to my tweet, right?"

This verbal battle began with a technical discussion, revealing the conflict between new public chains built on new architectures like Move and traditional EVM L2 ecosystems.

For Movement, Rushi's tweet garnered widespread community support, while Scroll is known for its ZK technology. Toghrul later expressed, "Still haven't heard the final answer on whether Movement is a sidechain or L2," just as Toly commented: "As long as the cross-chain bridge has multi-signature, it can be L2."

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