Author: Luccy, BlockBeats

On July 23, Meow, co-founder of Jupiter, announced on social media that he would collaborate with Irene Zhao to launch the meme coin metadata platform "Asian mom," and Jupiter DAO would receive 5% of the Asian mom tokens. However, Irene Zhao, the collaborator in this experiment, was pointed out by ZachXBT to have been involved in multiple project scams.

The mentioned meme coin metadata platform is a new experiment by Jupiter, aiming to try out new launch mechanisms to improve meme coin metadata, in order to address some major PvP issues in the current release of meme coin metadata, including widespread false distribution, sniper attacks, opaque development allocation, lying "influencers," and large-scale presales using development dumps, and so on.

This experiment itself is not surprising, as the Jupiter community loves memes, and Meow has expressed multiple times his hope that meme popularity will continue, and has proposed the concept of PPP (Player pump player, where the last participant wins), and is continuously trying new methods to promote PPP.

Although there are still many doubts about PPP since Meow first mentioned it, it is almost a consensus that crypto is like a casino, especially for meme coins that come and go quickly without value. Perhaps "Asian mom" is Jupiter's solution to implementing the PPP concept.

The project is a good one, but Irene Zhao, as the collaborator, has been involved in Rug projects multiple times. For a while, CT was filled with accusations against Irene Zhao, and ALL IN CLUB promptly held a space to start watching the drama, and even prompted a response from Irene Zhao herself.

The guests participating in the space first briefly explained Irene Zhao's identity. When it came to her involvement in Rug coins, Irene Zhao suddenly defended all her previous actions, and then the guests took turns "interrogating" Irene Zhao. BlockBeats edited some of the content from the space as follows. For simplicity, the names of the questioners are all represented as "Questioner":

What did Irene Zhao do?

Questioner: Irene Zhao is Chinese, from Nanchang, Jiangxi, as told by a friend of mine. Her LinkedIn profile states that she attended the National University of Singapore, but this cannot be verified. I don't know much about her, but I first noticed her in the Konomi project. The project was launched in March 2021 and was listed on OKX on April 6.

It was a bull market at the time, and the market was doing well, but it started to decline as soon as it was listed, reaching a high of $5. Now it seems to be at $0.01 or $0.02, having dropped by who knows how many times, and it's basically unlikely to ever recover, even after being listed on OKX.

When I first paid attention to Irene, she was the CMO of Konomi. Then I looked at some of her interview articles. She had previously done an MA and introduced Konomi as being done with a few of her classmates from the National University of Singapore, but this cannot be verified. According to her LinkedIn, she graduated in 2016, which is three years earlier than me.

She started with mass trading, and then later became an Instagram KOL, posting her own beautiful photos. Now she has over 500,000 followers on Instagram, but the number of likes and followers don't quite match. Maybe a post only has a dozen likes, so it's likely that a large portion of her followers were bought, but I don't know for sure.

Back to the Konomi project, I have never been a CMO, so I don't know exactly what a CMO does. But she should have been the CMO at the end of 2021, during the last bull market for cryptocurrencies. Her work basically involved releasing some Konomi project updates, and then taking selfies. The number of views, likes, and interactions on her selfies and project updates were in a very mismatched state. Users were buying her looks, her sexiness, but didn't seem very interested in the projects she promoted.

In a bull market, a coin should at least go up a bit. But after KONO was listed, it never went up, only declined. Maybe people weren't very interested in the KONO project, and she probably left at the end of 2021. During that time, she changed her Twitter bio to say she was building a socialfi project, but later changed it again.

I mentioned in my tweet three projects, all of which I actually experienced, and without any exaggeration, all three projects ended up going to zero.

The second project is SIMP, shared by ZachXBT, which means she sent the unlocked tokens to DWF in advance. These tokens were supposed to be locked for a year, but DWF turned around and sold them. The trend of this token is the same as KONO, never going up and only declining, ultimately going to zero.

The third one is also one I personally experienced, called IDK, full name "I dont know," a meme coin on the Solana chain. I bought it in mid-May, and it reached a high of 40 million, and I probably bought it at 25 million, but when it reached 40 million, I didn't sell, and it immediately dropped back to 5 million.

Why participate frequently in Rug projects?

Irene Zhao: Everything I said when I bought IDK was told to me by the developer. I personally didn't make a penny on this coin. It was the first meme coin I promoted, recommended to me by a good friend who told me the team was very strong. So I joined the community, where there were some other KOLs, so I thought the coin was not bad. After all, it was the first time I had encountered a coin on Solana, so I agreed.

When IDK started to drop, they told me that someone was selling off to lower the price, to make it easier for them to pump later. At the time, they said they would pump the next day, so I believed them, but the next day they suddenly told me they were going to Rug, that it was beyond saving. So from the beginning, I never thought they would Rug. As a KOL of my size, there's no need for me to Rug my fans for such a small amount of money.

Here I need to mention another monkey coin on Solana that I promoted, MONKEY, where I was also the one who got scammed and didn't make a penny. At the time, he promised me that this coin would at least reach a valuation of 100 million, or several hundred million, and I believed him. I didn't sell a single coin from start to finish. You can check my wallet, and at most, I had about $60,000 and didn't sell.

Two or three days later, the person who introduced me told me that he was in charge of the entire marketing business and told me, "My reputation is just a stupid meme coin, so please trust me, I won't Rug." I have all the chat screenshots, which I can release later for everyone to see. Because this person is a friend of my friend, I believed him and promoted the coin.

At the time, Asianmom was very popular, so I suspect that he may have taken advantage of this and used my community as a "harvesting target," because later he made some statements, which my friends on the chain saw and told me that this was a developer's Rug. So I think my problem may be that I trust people too much.

To be honest, my circle of friends is relatively small, and I wouldn't get to know strangers unless it's through a mutual acquaintance. But I do trust my friends, so I get introduced to some meme projects through them, and then I promote them. But after experiencing MONKEY, I became very cautious and basically didn't take on any other meme projects.
So in summary, I really didn't intend to Rug my community, I didn't sell a single coin, I didn't make a penny from either project, otherwise I wouldn't have come on the mic and explained so sincerely. Later, I asked that person, do I need to explain something about MONKEY? He told me not to explain, just delete the tweet, so I deleted it. The same goes for IDK.

I have all the screenshots, and I can show them to everyone, including the entire situation in that group. The entire development team suddenly said they were Rug, beyond saving. But it may involve some other KOL's privacy, but this is completely true. I really have no reason to damage my reputation for the sake of a few thousand dollars, I just trust people too easily.

Questioner: Are you saying that retail investors are to blame for their own misfortunes?

Irene Zhao: I didn't mean that, I do have to admit to this mistake, I should have done better due diligence. So later on, I became very cautious, and basically didn't take on these kinds of meme ads anymore. So most of my problem lies in not doing proper due diligence, so I apologize to everyone here, sorry for letting you down. But there are many things in this field that I can't control, I can only sincerely tell everyone that I didn't make money from this, but I really didn't do a good job in this due diligence aspect.

Questioner: Why did you delete the tweet without making any explanation for the Rug project?

Irene Zhao: I did lack communication skills, I know that next time if I promote any project, I need to bear the consequences of everyone being harvested, and I need to explain why this situation occurred. But at the time, I didn't want to create more dramatic situations, so I chose to handle it coldly. Now I realize that I do have a responsibility to explain.

I want to apologize to everyone here, I shouldn't have ended the promotion of a project in such an irresponsible way, or by deleting the tweet. Especially with so many fans, my mistake is that I didn't do proper due diligence.

Questioner: Their promotion of memes should be different from yours, right?

Irene Zhao: Well, let's not discuss whether others have promoted Rug memes. I admit that this promotion was indeed my mistake, I won't say that other KOLs are not good, or shift the blame to others, I made a mistake and that's a fact.

Questioner: If you only earned marketing fees and market fees during the promotion process, everyone would fully accept it. Since you are not a participant, you can directly introduce the Rug person and the Rug project party, including who made the money from these fees?
Irene Zhao: I really don't know who made the money, just like in the current market, you don't know who made the money, some people make money, and some people lose. And I really don't know whether this developer is capable enough, or whether he intentionally Rugged, I can't judge.

So I can't tell you who made the money, I can only say that the project didn't follow the direction that he initially assured me of, I didn't say I wanted to falsely promote a meme project. If I made money through a project, or did marketing, I would honestly tell you, if I made money, I made money, if I lost, I lost, I have no reason to lie about it.

Questioner: What was your income during this process?
Irene Zhao: Some projects may pay market fees in SOL, and some projects may give you some tokens as market fees, for example, MONKEY gave me 0.2% of the token supply. But I didn't sell, I didn't immediately sell it after promoting the project and let my fans take over. But indeed, after I finished promoting it, other people in the project may have dumped within three or four days, so the coins in my hands also went to zero.

Questioner: Have you collaborated with teams that have previously Rugged projects?
Irene Zhao: No.

Questioner: Did you directly collaborate with the team or was it through an agency recommendation?
Irene Zhao: I didn't go through an agency, it was all through individuals, I didn't take on agency ads.

Questioner: What was the reason for your trust in them? Because most meme coins have been Rugged.
Irene Zhao: I trusted them because the intermediary was someone I really trusted, a very trusted friend of mine, someone I had previously worked with, and I got to know the project through him, through a mutual acquaintance.
**Questioner: So you have many mutual acquaintances, each introducing different projects, and different projects have all been Rugged.

Irene Zhao: We're talking about just two, right? One is IDK, and the other is MONKEY, I only have two memes, no others, just these two. And later on, I was very careful, you have to know that many people come to me every day to promote, and during the period when I was preparing to promote Asianmom, I didn't promote any other meme ads.

Because I still want to focus all attention on our own meme. So you can check my Twitter, I didn't promote any ads this month. And many KOLs may promote four or five memes a day, I'm telling you, I didn't promote any ads this month.

Questioner: Regarding the SIMP that ZachXBT accused you of, the on-chain transfer data is real, with a one-year lock-up period, why did you immediately sell it to DWF?

Irene Zhao: The tokens didn't come from our locked tokens.

Questioner: So there was a wallet that inexplicably transferred tens of millions of tokens to DWF?
Irene Zhao: Those are circulating tokens in the market, they are already unlocked tokens, not tokens from our team, they are tokens from a certain system link in the token economy. And the DWF thing, I will address it in the clarification, because this involves some more private things about us and DWF, so I will issue a clarification.

Because for me, this is a very serious and huge accusation, so I will respond in writing to explain it better, rather than through space. This also involves some token economics, some data and facts, and some very specific conversations and plans we had before, so I will put it in the clarification.

Where did IreneDAO's earnings go?

Irene Zhao: IreneDAO is a completely free mint, I personally don't have any IreneDAO NFTs, you can check my wallet, many of them were given away for free to some friends. At the time, we had some royalties, about 5%. After that, we donated $100,000 to an anti-trafficking organization in Southeast Asia (NTK trafficking). There is evidence for all of this, I can provide relevant proof.

Questioner: When did this happen?

Irene Zhao: Around February 2022, but that thing is on my Instagram, and now that account has been deactivated, so you can't see it. But I do have evidence, everything is automatically recorded, everything I'm saying now is recorded.

Question: Where did the NIT royalties go?
Irene Zhao: Apart from the $100,000, a lot of the funds are managed by a multi-signature address, and I personally don't have the sole right to operate this money. We have DAO members, and these members receive salaries every month. Of course, this is also my fault because they paid themselves a lot of salary and then carried out related operations.

Question: Are you saying that the community's money was used to pay themselves salaries?
Irene Zhao: This money didn't go to me, I didn't take any money. What I mean is that this is equivalent to DAO members paying themselves salaries because at the time, I was a KOL and didn't have time to manage IreneDAO, so they had their own organization. DAO members used part of this money every month to do some activities and other things. Their earnings can be traced to every expenditure, and not a single penny went into my wallet.

Question: I can't trace this money to specific individuals.
Irene Zhao: The main point of this discussion is that if I really wanted to make money by issuing NFTs, I could have easily launched a new NFT project after IreneDAO, with each 0.1 Ethereum, and I could have easily made 1,000 Ethereum by issuing 10,000. But I didn't need to rely on these royalties to make money. At the time, I wanted to bring in the very talented creators from Web 2 through this form, and create a Web 2.5 platform. But the reality proved that the Web 2.5 narrative was not feasible, and we really didn't make it happen.

This is not an excuse, because at the time, everyone was hyping the Web 2.5 narrative and various collaborations, and in fact, a lot of money was spent on marketing, and it was later proven that the barrier was too high. I haven't touched the remaining assets on IreneDAO because it's not a wallet that I have sole control over. You can see that many multi-signature addresses are not signed by me.

Question: Can these DAO members correct what you said?
Irene Zhao: This was in 2022, and I don't know many of the DAO members, I didn't communicate with them privately. You can check their wallets on-chain, and all transactions in the multi-signature addresses were not signed by me, so they paid themselves salaries without my knowledge. This was also my negligence because at the time, I was new to the industry and didn't find the best management model.

I started in around March 2021, so at the time, I really lacked experience and didn't manage a DAO very well. Also, at the time, as a KOL, I didn't have time to manage how the members were spending the money.

Question: So you were essentially volunteering at the time?
Irene Zhao: It's not entirely accurate to say that, it did bring me a good brand, and we wanted to grow this brand. I didn't want to do it alone, but rather wanted more creators to come in and do these things. So at the time, we focused more on Web 2 creators and even the top TikTok creators in Hollywood, we had a large scope at the time, not just to promote ourselves.

Question: Did your activities involve anything substantial other than posting some sexy photos?
Irene Zhao: At the time, a Discord administrator often did some design work, but you may need to ask the previous IreneDAO team to explain what he actually did. But everything is recorded, why he paid these members for these activities at the time.

Question: I didn't realize that being a Discord administrator could earn money. You mentioned that IreneDAO was a free mint, so this part didn't generate any income. If you extracted 5% royalties, at the peak of NFTs, the total transaction volume reached about 2,300 Ethereum in two to three days. This was during a bull market in the crypto industry and also in NFTs. Therefore, these 2,300 Ethereum brought in approximately 115 Ethereum. Based on the price at the time, it's about $400,000. You said this $400,000 was used to pay salaries, and you didn't get anything, they took your income.
Irene Zhao: We donated $100,000, so there was still about $300,000 left. They really wasted a lot of money.

Question: Who are these people? Are they your alt accounts?
Irene Zhao: They are people I don't know, I didn't directly contact them. You can go on-chain to check those wallet addresses to see who is managing the entire DC community. It couldn't have been my alt accounts, I really didn't have time to manage it at the time.

Question: So who are these people, and who are the individuals behind the multi-signature addresses? Would you really give money to someone you don't know?
Irene Zhao: I only know one person who was in charge of IreneDAO at the time, and he was receiving a salary from our company. His name is "Napoleon," and he's in the United States. He was my employee, and I agreed to let him help me manage this DAO.
Question: So your employee took all your salary, and as the boss, you didn't earn a penny?
Irene Zhao: If you don't believe me, then what's the point of this space? At the time, for us, we didn't want to make money through NFTs.

How did you become the CMO of Konomi?

Question: I previously said in a thread that you were an unknown, but later I found out that you were originally an Instagram influencer, so it's more likely that you jumped directly from one industry to the crypto industry and became the CMO of a crypto project, Konomi.
Irene Zhao: I was indeed an Instagram influencer in Web2, and I joined Konomi because it was a project of my friend, so I was essentially helping my friend. He is someone I trust a lot, we have been good friends since college, and it was because of him that I got into the crypto industry. And at the time, there wasn't really a concept of a CMO, a CMO is essentially a Chief Marketing Officer.

I'm not bragging, but the concept of a CMO really took off after I took on the role. So why did I become popular? The reason is that many Crypto KOLs were my fans from Web2, and at the time, the mechanism on Twitter was that if they commented on your post, everyone could see it.

So even though I was new to Web3, many big names already knew me, and they would often interact with me. So at the time, my fan base grew very quickly, and there were fewer female influencers, so I essentially took advantage of the trend at the time, and that's why I became popular quickly, there were no hidden hands behind it, and nothing shady.

I can tell you who they are, one of them is called Alex, a well-known big name with over 100,000 followers, and he was already quite famous in Crypto. You can see that I had interactions with them in some of my earliest tweets, it was all natural growth. Of course, I admit that reputation played a part, but you need to understand that Crypto has a culture, you need to see how they post memes, and pay attention to the language they use. And I also have some fans in Singapore, and I would meet them offline in Singapore, so my fan base grew quickly.

Question: You have experienced Rug projects more than once, and you are a legitimate KOL, you wanted to grow with these project teams, why didn't you come out to clarify immediately? You have the title of CMO at Konomi, why didn't you come out to clarify immediately? As the CEO of a project, you would definitely come out to find out who Rugged the money, where did my money go.

But your response is 70% true and 30% false. Under everyone's urging, you pointed out an American named Napoleon, which seems fabricated. The key issue here is how ruthlessly you cut the leeks, and what role you really played in all of this. Did you really treat retail investors like dogs, and did the money really end up in your pocket? From what I've heard tonight, it's highly likely that you could have made a huge profit from this, but didn't fully benefit, so you're also very wronged.

Irene Zhao: I had no idea there would be an open mic tonight. I didn't plan out all my words in advance, and I didn't check anyone's Twitter to see what accusations were being made against me. I just happened to see the space and joined the conversation, and I've been telling the truth from start to finish.

I believe every KOL has their own style, and as I mentioned earlier, my style is to remain calm rather than explain that I also lost money. Of course, this is also my fault. Because to be honest, even if I were to explain that I lost money, that could also be staged, right? Many KOLs claim to have lost money when they actually made a profit, and they still act as if they lost money.

For me, I prefer to remain calm, but after hearing everyone's opinions tonight, I admit that this approach is very immature, and I didn't consider it responsibly. If in the future I promote other projects and they don't follow the path I promised to everyone, then I will explain sincerely why the project Rugged.

Why did Jupiter choose to collaborate with you?

Question: What do you think of the Jupiter team? I think the Jupiter team is smarter than you. They are now creating a meme Launchpad just to prove one thing: even if a controversial figure launches a coin, I can make it fair and transparent.

Irene Zhao: When Asian mom first gained popularity, Meow approached me and asked if this project was mine. I told him it was a community project, and then I asked him if we should incubate this project or launch a new coin. He asked why we should incubate it, because you don't know who will launch the coin for this project, and you don't know how this project originated, there's no specific information. If you easily adopt a meme coin, it's easy for your fans to get Rugged.

Question: If I were the CEO of Jupiter, and I chose you, then there must be controversial factors about you, and now coming out to clarify is damaging your own brand.

Irene Zhao: I think this idea is quite narrow-minded. If you think that Jupiter, as the first aggregator on Solana, would be willing to risk their reputation to collaborate with a "malicious" person just for marketing, then I think you're thinking too narrowly about Jupiter.

Question: Can you share some details about your collaboration with Jupiter?
Irene Zhao: We were basically planning this a month ago. Initially, they saw it as a community project, but I didn't know the entire token supply distribution, and I didn't know who held the majority of the chips, even though they gave me 3%. But to this day, I haven't sold a single coin, and at the peak, it was worth around $3.3 million, you can see my on-chain records. Directly promoting it would be very irresponsible, and it was later confirmed that the developers Rugged this project.

Because when I mentioned the term "Asian mom," there were buyers coming in and then selling off. I don't have specific details, but someone told me that this phenomenon was the developers Rugging. So based on these facts, we decided to launch a new meme coin. He tweeted that he wanted to conduct a social experiment, airdropping a portion of the tokens to people who left their wallet addresses on that tweet, and this was something we came up with together.

This was our original intention, because he wanted to promote the concept of PPP, and he thought my Asian mom concept was great. And actually, contrary to what you said, the reason he chose to collaborate with me is because he felt I had been in this market for a long time, and I'm a long-term player, and he didn't want to work with a short-term player, so he chose me.

So the idea of using a "malicious" reverse proof mechanism is completely contrary to the original intention. I'm speaking very sincerely and genuinely to everyone, and if I were fabricating this, I wouldn't have so many details. I wouldn't be able to present a complete logical argument to everyone, but indeed, this was the reason for our initial collaboration.

Question: Why did Jupiter choose you?

Irene Zhao: Because at the time, they really liked the Asian mom narrative and felt that it had great potential. It may be because the community had already launched an Asian mom for me, and it was quite popular at the time. And maybe because I've been in the circle for a while and have a certain fan base, so they felt I would be a good fit.

Question: Did Jupiter's CEO choose this narrative because of his personal preference?

Irene Zhao: He felt that Asian mom was a great Meta, and he really liked the concept. At the time, there was already a European and American mother, and he thought that we Asians could also have an Asian mother, and he wanted to see if we could create a completely new narrative to expand the Asian mom concept, that was his original intention.

Because for Jupiter, it's not about making money, he's someone who really likes to promote new ideas, so he felt that if we could lead this Meta, it would have a positive impact on the market, so we did this together.

Will the new meme platform Rugged?

Question: What have you gained from collaborating with Jupiter?

Irene Zhao: First of all, I think they are a very good platform. I really like the founder because he has his own ideas and is a founder who can continuously bring new narratives to the entire blockchain, the best founder so far. Through our collaboration, promoting the PPP concept has been very beneficial for my brand.
There's also financial incentives, my tokens have an 18-month lock-up period, and I have all the chat records to prove it, we basically agreed on this a month ago. We haven't had a chance to announce it yet, but all the token supply distribution is very open and transparent. So if the coin goes to zero after 18 months, the returns on this project will be very minimal for me.

But regardless of the returns, if through this collaboration, we can get more meme coins to adopt the PPP concept and learn from it, then I'm willing to do this, that's my original intention.

Question: After Asian mom goes to Jupiter, if the coin's performance is poor in the future, as a planner, will you cut yourself out again? How will you ensure a long-term positive impact on this project?

Irene Zhao: First of all, I want to clarify that I can't guarantee the direction of the project, because no one really knows what the market will be like in the future, but we can ensure that we have a lock-up, we didn't presell, and there's no KOL allocation. We will give tokens to some early supporters, everything is open and transparent. We can't control the direction, but we can ensure that there won't be a Rug.

Because now many projects, some can indeed take off, but some projects don't take off for reasons such as others Rugging it, for example, the developers running away, or they snapping 70% of the supply. So what we can do is ensure that this doesn't happen with this new meme.

Question: Meow approaching you for collaboration is a way to pressure test, to prove that even with a malicious participant, there's no way to Rug, you didn't realize this?
Irene Zhao: If that's really the case, then I can only say I've made a bad choice. If that's really what you think, then I have nothing more to say, and we'll see how things turn out in the future, right? Because I can't convince you, and you can't convince me, so we each believe we hold the truth, there's no need to mock anyone, or to say that looking back, you were foolish or anything like that, it's meaningless.

If I were a victim, I wouldn't immediately get angry, because we've all been through a lot, we wouldn't go crazy just because someone Rugged and start cursing them online, there's no need for that, we're all mature people.

Question: Since public opinion has turned negative, have you considered changing direction or choosing a different path?
Irene Zhao: I believe in karma, today I joined this space, I admit those mistakes, why is there such negative public opinion? I think it's a backlash, because maybe in the past, I didn't handle things well, I didn't do a good job of follow-up, so it led to this outcome. So personally, I won't do this kind of thing again.

And to be honest, I want to cultivate a long-term presence in this industry, I'm not looking to make a lot of money and then run, because it's meaningless. What can I do? I've talked to many friends, and they say, you've made a lot of money, what do you want to do? You don't have anything else to do, because in other industries, you can't develop as quickly, you won't have as many opportunities, you won't have new narratives every day. Or maybe my influence in other industries may not be as great as it is in blockchain.

So I think I want to do this kind of thing in this industry for the long term, so I'm willing to voluntarily lock up my tokens for 18 months, for this meme coin, and I don't want to Rug a large sum and then run, because I don't have anything else to do. This is the truth, so I really like this industry, I think it brings a sense of freshness, it brings excitement, and I also want to see what this project can become.

Question: Are you in it for the money or for the reputation with Asian mom? If you want to restore your reputation, what actions can you take?
Irene Zhao: We will have a very transparent mechanism, all the specific details will be open and transparent, ensuring that tokens won't be unlocked early, or any different community situations. We will ensure, or Jupiter will ensure, that this won't happen.

As for whether I'm in it for the money or for the reputation, at this stage, reputation is very important to me. And as I mentioned, my tokens have an 18-month lock-up period. So whether I can make money from this will depend on how the project ultimately develops, and whether we and the community can do a good job with this, that's the factor that will determine if I can make money.

I really don't know if I can make money, but I can ensure that I won't Rug, so I can't say that my reputation will be damaged because of this, but I can't guarantee its direction.

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