The value of Honeycombs has increased 12 times in the past 12 months, making it the best-performing asset in the entire NFT space.
Organized & Compiled by: Deep Tide TechFlow
Guest: Janitooor, Co-founder of Honey Jar
Podcast Source: Flywheel DeFi
Original Title: Cybernetics and Redefining Culture w/ Jani - Flywheel
Broadcast Date: November 7, 2024
Introduction and Background
At the beginning of the podcast, the hosts mention a misconception of short-term thinking in the cryptocurrency space, especially regarding new cycles and attention spans. He believes this mindset is flawed and that one should think and plan long-term, like a gardener.
This episode's guest is Jani, whom DeFi Dave refers to as a "legend" and mentions he is a co-founder of Honey Jar, involved in the development of multiple projects. The podcast will delve into the feedback loops of cybernetics, cultural phenomena, and what allows certain groups (like Cults) to survive.
Jani's Background and Views on Cults
- Jani reflects on his ten years in the cryptocurrency space, mentioning he was involved before the Ethereum white paper was released. He emphasizes that in this fast-evolving industry, we are creating the future in real-time. He believes understanding the concept of "Cults" requires an in-depth exploration from the perspectives of narrative and authority figures, while also noting that Cults are often accompanied by isolationism.
Understanding Community Phenomena in the Cryptocurrency Context
Jani mentions that the Latin root of the word "Cults" is closely related to "cultivation," which makes him more focused on drawing inspiration from nature, emphasizing the importance of sustainable systems and practices. He points out that in recent years, some personality-driven "Cults" have emerged in the cryptocurrency space, with less than ideal outcomes, such as the collapse of certain projects.
However, he also emphasizes that from the perspective of the overall ecosystem, cryptocurrency can be seen as a natural system with self-sustaining characteristics. He believes that while some individuals or projects may fail, there are still many successful examples within the overall ecosystem.
Jani has a free and chaotic way of thinking, encouraging hosts and listeners to interrupt him at any time to delve deeper into the points he raises.
Maintaining a Fresh Perspective
DeFi Dave mentions that many people in the cryptocurrency space easily fall into their comfort zones, becoming dogmatic and unable to adapt to changes in the times. He asks Jani how he refreshes his perspective to identify new communities or "Cults" worth pursuing.
Jani responds that maintaining anonymity is a practice he has employed, having built new identities from scratch multiple times to avoid confusion with past identities. This approach helps him maintain a fresh perspective. DeFi Dave agrees, acknowledging that it is difficult but also expressing pride in what he has created while hoping to maintain a certain sense of separation.
Deep Engagement and Diversity of Communities
Jani further explains that maintaining multiple identities across different communities allows him to better engage and observe the dynamics and interactions within each community. He mentions that modern social media algorithms can place everyone in different social circles within the "town square," so by maintaining different areas of interest, he can see the diversity of the internet and the practices and rituals of different communities.
He also points out that the rituals and interactions of communities are key to understanding the phenomenon of "Cults." How new members are invited or excluded are aspects worth paying attention to. He emphasizes that participating in various community interactions helps him maintain a fresh perspective and understand the unique cultures and dynamics of each community.
Cybernetics and Feedback Loops in the Crypto Space
The Basics of Feedback Loops and Cybernetics
DeFi Dave suggests that feedback loops are an important concept in the cryptocurrency space, emphasizing the need for "AB testing" in different communities to observe people's reactions and take action based on feedback. He mentions cybernetics, the study of systems and their feedback mechanisms, wanting to understand how it drives the development of cryptocurrency.
Jani explains that cybernetics is the study of control mechanisms and feedback loops in systems. He believes the emergence of Bitcoin is a significant milestone because it created a digital system capable of impacting the real world, especially in terms of energy consumption. The operation of Bitcoin resembles a self-contained "box," where the tokens are endogenous and rely on external world power and computational capacity.
The Evolution from Bitcoin to New Chains
Jani elaborates that throughout the evolution of the crypto industry, all innovations are in search of new mechanisms that can drive action in the real world. He points out that understanding these mechanisms is crucial for fostering community growth. He mentions that new blockchain technologies are always trying to find new levers to prompt actions in the external world.
When discussing Berachain, Jani notes that he saw some ideas related to natural systems and cybernetics in its white paper, particularly regarding the concept of flow control. He explains that flow control relates to token issuance mechanisms, especially in how to attract user participation and utilize power.
The Application of Flow Control
DeFi Dave expresses curiosity about the concept of flow control, asking if it relates to "proof of liquidity."
Jani further explains the basic concept of flow control and how various mechanisms across different blockchains can incentivize user participation. He emphasizes that a cybernetic perspective can help us understand how these mechanisms operate in the real world, driving the evolution of the entire crypto ecosystem.
Optimizing Airdrop Mechanisms and Incentivizing High-Value Behavior
The Current State and Challenges of Airdrops
DeFi Dave mentions that current airdrop mechanisms often promote low-value behaviors and asks how to improve airdrops to incentivize higher-value actions. He notes that airdrops can be seen as a feedback loop and wants to understand how to enhance value within this mechanism.
Jani agrees, stating that when promoting user participation and behavior, focusing on overall value creation is crucial. He points out that traditionally, Total Value Locked (TVL) has often been overemphasized, while what users truly care about are on-chain executable actions (TTD, or "Things To Do").
From Value Locking to Operability
Jani further explains that users do not care about the complexities behind the system; they are more concerned with whether they can smoothly complete the desired actions. He gives an example, stating that ordinary people do not care how a toaster works; they just want it to function properly. Therefore, in the digital realm, users are more focused on the functionality of the application layer rather than the underlying blockchain technology.
He emphasizes that the future should focus on providing users with more meaningful actions and experiences, rather than just increasing locked value. Whether in gaming, social platforms, or financial services, the key is to offer users rich functionalities and interactive opportunities.
Methods to Incentivize High-Value Behavior
To incentivize high-value behavior, Jani suggests focusing on how to design systems that allow users to easily find and participate in various activities. He believes that airdrop mechanisms should align with users' actual needs and behaviors, encouraging them to engage in more valuable actions rather than merely pursuing short-term gains.
This approach can not only enhance user engagement but also promote the healthy development of the entire ecosystem. He emphasizes that understanding the needs of different stakeholders, including financial systems and consumers, is key to designing effective airdrop mechanisms.
Fully Engaging and Leveraging Bong Beras
The Background and Value of Bong Beras
DeFi Dave asks how Bong Beras, as an NFT project, creates meaningful activities and value in the experience of Bera Chain.
Jani shares his experiences in data analysis and traffic, emphasizing his observations and participation during the DeFi summer.
He mentions that Bong Beras is an interesting form of NFT with a rebase mechanism, meaning each generation will have different supply amounts and characteristics. He explains that the initial supply was very limited, with only 101 unexpectedly generated NFTs and six honor editions. This mechanism not only attracts users' attention but also incentivizes them to engage in deeper interactions.
The Rebase Mechanism of NFTs
The rebase mechanism of Bong Beras allows holders to earn more tokens by holding one NFT. For example, a user who owns a Bong Bera will receive additional NFTs in the next generation, which encourages users to actively participate and hold these digital assets. Jani points out that this design inspiration partly comes from the popular Olympus-style rebase narrative at the time.
He emphasizes that owning Bong Beras is not just about holding an asset but participating in an ever-expanding ecosystem, enhancing users' sense of participation and belonging.
The Power of Community and Culture
When discussing the community, both DeFi Dave and Jani emphasize the importance of the culture and community atmosphere behind Bong Beras. Jani states that despite market fluctuations and uncertainties, the community culture surrounding Bong Beras is relaxed and humorous, with everyone supporting each other and sharing experiences throughout the process.
He mentions that participating in such a community gives him a sense of belonging, and despite the volatile market environment, being able to build and create alongside like-minded individuals is a highly valuable experience.
Strategies from Holding to Trading
Jani shares his strategy in trading Bong Beras. He realized that in the NFT market, holding the rarest or most common assets often yields better liquidity. Therefore, he began trading within the community, acquiring more NFTs through exchanges to establish his advantage in the market.
He illustrates this by explaining how he exchanged one second-generation Bong Bera for three more common NFTs, which not only increased his asset quantity but also created more opportunities for future trades. This strategy not only keeps him competitive in the market but also strengthens his connection with the community.
Building the Honey Jar Mechanism
The Origin of the Honey Jar Mechanism
Jani shares his experience when launching Honey Jar (THJ) in 2023, admitting that his initial motivation was to make a huge profit by selling a Bong Bera. He describes how he conceived the idea of placing Bong Bera into a smart contract and establishing a hive system.
He mentions that the plan was to sell 16,420 Honey Jars at about $100 each, allowing him to successfully exit Bong Bera while enabling others to win Bong Beras, achieving a win-win situation.
Open Mindset and Collaboration
- In the process of building Honey Jar, Jani emphasizes his habit of thinking in an open environment and the importance of collaborating with others. He mentions finding a "spiritually somewhat crazy" partner to co-develop the project. His open-minded approach has led him to form different expressions and communication patterns amidst constantly changing identities.
Community Engagement and Feedback
During this process, Smokey reached out to him, inviting him to participate in a project under construction. Jani recalls his early experiences in the crypto space, noting that although he felt like the "dumbest" person in some situations, he was still able to access cutting-edge ideas and technologies.
He mentions that when he saw Berra Chain innovating the relationship between validators and applications in its economic model, he realized the project's potential, even though the technology and ecosystem were not yet mature at that time.
Facing Challenges and Adapting
Jani discusses the challenges he faced while participating in the community, such as frequently being kicked out of Discord, which was frustrating for him. He mentions that despite these difficulties, he still strives to maintain interaction with the community, sharing his thoughts and experiences.
This experience not only deepened his understanding of the crypto ecosystem but also encouraged him to maintain a positive attitude when facing challenges and seek solutions.
Honeycombs Structure, Integrators, and Community Participation
Jani mentions that during the construction of the Honey Jar project, he realized that many people were eagerly anticipating the Bera Chain project and actively seeking collaboration. After two months of development, they had reached cooperation intentions with nearly 40 partners, many of whom hoped to provide some form of benefits for Honey Jar.
He states that this spontaneous business development phenomenon made him aware of the project's potential. The partners were not merely looking to do a logo co-promotion but saw the value of the project and believed it could solve their problems.
Modular Thinking and Problem Solving
Jani likens this collaborative relationship to "networked help," similar to the combination of Lego blocks. He emphasizes that participants seek to solve problems through "inputs" and "outputs" to achieve synergy. This way of thinking has led to the gradual emergence of the narrative of "benefit aggregators."
He believes that Honey Jar is one of the early participants in this field. He mentions that the project has already brought actual benefits to holders through multiple airdrops, with many users' investment costs covered by these airdrops.
Market Environment and Project Launch
Jani reflects on the timing of the project's launch, mentioning that they chose to release it on March 3, a date related to Ethereum Denver. Although this date is considered unlucky in the crypto circle, they decided to take a bold approach. Shortly after the launch, the crisis at Silicon Valley Bank occurred, which made them feel that everything was "perfect."
He states that in such a market environment, their project successfully completed the minting process and decided to promote themselves with a relaxed attitude, even calling themselves a "scam." This unconventional attitude attracted many like-minded individuals, creating a unique energy and atmosphere.
Taking Work Seriously with a Sense of Humor
- Jani emphasizes that while the team does not take themselves too seriously, their serious attitude towards work is evident. He believes that this sense of humor and unconventional style helps them stand out in a competitive market, attracting more community participants.
Developing a Cybernetic Culture Based on Honeycombs
Genuine Integration and Community Participation
DeFi Dave posed a question, asking what specific integrations exist in the Honey Jar project beyond airdrops. Jani responded that his view of the "cult" narrative is different, believing that this narrative is often based on the difficulty of leaving, while in the Bera Eco, participation is actually very simple, and anyone can easily join.
He mentions that although people can leave at any time, very few actually choose to do so, reflecting the community's appeal.
Barrier-Free Participation and Community Autonomy
Jani further discusses the progress they have made without real support from foundational organizations. He recalls that during the "Chaos Carnival" held at Ethereum Denver, the community's participation and activity attracted the attention of external investors. Despite the foundational organization investing almost no marketing resources, their activities generated a huge impact on social media, even leading some outsiders to mistakenly believe that Honey Jar was part of the foundational organization.
This phenomenon highlights the community's autonomy and self-organizing ability, indicating that in a decentralized environment, true power comes from the enthusiasm and creativity of participants.
Relationship with Foundational Organizations
Jani mentions that their relationship with foundational organizations is relatively independent. They are not interfered with by foundational organizations and can freely conduct their activities. This freedom allows them to flexibly adjust their strategies and directions based on community needs and feedback.
He points out that the recent proposal request (RFP) mechanism launched by foundational organizations is a wise move, standardizing the way ecosystem applications acquire liquidity and avoiding redundant communication between multiple teams. This approach not only saves time but also improves efficiency.
Community Knowledge and Support from Foundational Organizations
Jani emphasizes that foundational organizations recognize that frontline participants understand community needs and usage better than they do. This acknowledgment of community knowledge indicates the humility and wisdom of foundational organizations in supporting ecosystem development.
He believes that the habits and preferences of community members largely determine the vitality of the ecosystem, while the role of foundational organizations is to provide support and resources for this vitality to promote broader participation and innovation.
Comparing the Cybernetic Culture of Berachain with Other L1/L2 Blockchains
Unique Cybernetic Culture
Jani mentions that Berachain's cybernetic culture exhibits a unique mechanism that can transfer value to those most likely to become loyal users. He states that throughout his involvement in the blockchain industry, he has never seen any L1 thrive culturally like Berachain.
He further explains the meaning of "cybernetic culture," pointing out that a notable feature of Berachain is its ability to precisely target user groups exhibiting "cult-like" behaviors. Such behaviors may manifest as high participation during certain periods or engaging in seemingly unprofitable but very interesting activities.
User Behavior and Community Participation
Jani illustrates that about 20% of ETA and NFTs are sent to burn addresses by users simply because it is fun, rather than for any other purpose. This indicates that within the community, a small portion of users exhibits extremely high levels of engagement and humor.
He also mentions that although Honey Jar's NFTs are free and their value once rose to 0.7, about 15% of holders chose not to sell and even increased their holdings. These users have invested real money and time over the past few years, experiencing a series of market fluctuations and uncertainties, forming a deep "trauma bond."
Comparison with Other L1s
Jani emphasizes that Berachain was launched in a cultural environment that is already mature and has undergone multiple market challenges, a resilience and vitality that is hard to find in other L1s. He recalls his experiences before the birth of Bitcoin, when people's understanding of blockchain was still vague, and now, the launch of Berachain coincides with a well-prepared cultural movement.
He believes that this cultural background provides strong support for the promotion of new technologies, enabling them to establish deeper connections and resonance with the community.
The Combination of Technology and Movement
- Finally, Jani mentions that the launch of Berachain is not just a technological release but the beginning of a movement. By closely integrating with the community, Berachain is able to establish a sense of belonging and identity among users, a cultural atmosphere that is unmatched by other L1s.
The Rise of Honeycombs and Community Dynamics
- Jani notes that Honeycombs has performed exceptionally well over the past year, becoming one of the best-performing assets in the entire NFT space. He points out that although NFT assets like "schizo posters" temporarily surpassed Honeycombs during certain brief periods, overall, the value of Honeycombs has increased twelvefold in the past 12 months, far exceeding the performance of other NFTs.
NFT Ecosystem and Community Participation
Jani continues to explore the dynamic changes within the NFT ecosystem, mentioning that in the previous cycle, 80% of new wallets and market participants entered the crypto space through NFTs. He emphasizes that although some users' activity levels have declined, many users still hold assets on-chain, ready to participate again at any time.
He mentions that research has investigated the behavior of users who entered the crypto market through NFTs, revealing that the proportion of these users transitioning to DeFi is very small. This indicates that most newcomers remain focused on the NFT ecosystem, but their participation in DeFi is relatively limited.
Community Visibility and Invisible Economy
Jani points out that although Vera (possibly referring to a project or concept) seems to occupy a significant focus in certain cryptocurrency communities (CT), this phenomenon is often invisible in many areas of the on-chain economy. He finds this situation interesting because it reveals an asymmetrical information advantage, providing many actionable opportunities for the community.
He emphasizes that a deep analysis of the data can uncover valuable insights, revealing the true dynamics of user behavior and guiding future strategies.
Future Opportunities
- Jani is confident about the future of Honeycombs and its community, believing that in the current market environment, Honeycombs can leverage its unique culture and user base to continue leading the development of the NFT space. He looks forward to the community seizing more opportunities in future dynamic changes to further promote the ecosystem's prosperity.
Roles and Social Interactions in Different Domains
Role and Identity Switching
DeFi Dave mentions that many people in the crypto space create different identities to adapt to various social environments. He describes this phenomenon as somewhat like "a person in the dark," because in certain situations, individuals may present entirely different selves in different social circles. He points out that while everyone wears a mask to some extent, he himself appears more pronounced in this regard.
Jani adds that people present themselves differently in various environments. For example, the identity displayed in the crypto community may be entirely different from how one behaves in front of family or friends. This self-identification of identity can lead to difficulties when switching social circles.
Dynamics of Social Interaction
Jani further shares an observation about social interaction, using "first response time" as a metric to assess the activity level of network interactions. When he expresses interest in a topic on social media, the speed at which he receives feedback can reflect the community's activity level regarding that topic. For instance, when he inquired about SPX, almost no one responded within 24 hours, with only a few providing basic suggestions, which made him realize the low interactivity in that area.
In contrast, when he mentioned "Sparto Gremlins," his social media notifications were instantly flooded with interactions. This strong feedback indicates the level of activity surrounding that topic in the community, suggesting a closer connection with the Bitcoin community.
Community Overlap and Interaction Strategies
DeFi Dave comments that this may relate to the degree of overlap between the Bitcoin community and other communities. He speculates that the connections between the Bitcoin community and other crypto communities (like the SPX community) may be limited, thus affecting the frequency and quality of interactions in those areas when individuals possess different identities.
He recalls a tweet from last year that, although not specifically targeting the SPX community, unexpectedly attracted the attention of many individuals from that field. This phenomenon made him realize that the interactions and overlaps between communities can significantly influence an individual's experience on social media.
A New Definition of Community Phenomena
- Jani poses a question about what the definition of "cult" truly is. He points out that this term has various meanings in contemporary contexts, such as referring to the tragedy of "Jonestown" or the SBF-style FTX, and it can also be understood from the Latin word "cultus," meaning "to cultivate" or "to grow." He spends a lot of time gardening outside the crypto space, and this connection with nature leads him to reflect on the essence of community.
Short-Term vs. Long-Term Thinking
Jani believes that the crypto space often exhibits short-term thinking, focusing on rapid market cycles and attention spans. He argues that adopting a gardening mindset towards the crypto community would be more beneficial, as gardening requires patience and long-term investment. He mentions that during this process, communities experience different "seasons," where certain groups may be particularly active at specific times.
He points out that when a community performs well, members may choose to exit due to the substantial rewards they have received, which is a common characteristic of community development.
Community Durability and Culture
Jani emphasizes that although many people have reasons to leave certain communities, for those excellent builders, once they integrate into the community culture, the community becomes more durable and sustainable. He believes that community culture is a natural system that can remain vibrant even through significant changes and different seasons.
He mentions that when establishing "Honeycombs," the initial goal was to raise funds during a bear market, but as more people participated, the community's activity and interactivity significantly increased.
Community Innovation and Construction
Jani further notes that many projects built within the Bera ecosystem have integrated with "Honeycombs," indicating the community's activity and innovative capacity. He points out that although there seems to be a lull on Ethereum, there are still many builders actively innovating within the Bera ecosystem.
He believes that many builders choose to continue participating because of their passion for the field and confidence in the future, rather than merely for financial gain.
Summary and Outlook
- Finally, Jani summarizes that the definition of community is not just a simple label but a complex ecosystem involving interactions among members, cultural transmission, and a shared vision for the future. He looks forward to seeing more people understand and engage in this new community phenomenon, driving further development in the crypto space.
Sustainably Prioritizing Community Support
A New Definition of "Community"
- DeFi Dave raises a question about the new definition of "cult." He mentions that traditionally, our understanding of community has often been negative, such as the tragedy of "Jonestown," viewing people as passively brainwashed and indoctrinated. He hopes to elaborate on this new definition, emphasizing its proactivity.
Lessons from Web2
- Jani explains the lessons brought by Web2. He points out that users in Web2 are often seen as products, with issues in the flow of value and power dynamics. Users' interests are typically overlooked, profits are privatized, and used for various purposes. He believes that "Honeycombs" provides a framework for communities to productize themselves, allowing community members to benefit from it.
Community as a Product
Jani further elaborates on how "Honeycombs" operates. He mentions that although team members are distributed across different continents, they do not hold regular team meetings but collaborate efficiently through asynchronous methods. He emphasizes that the active participation of community members and network effects enable the entire team to operate efficiently.
Holders of "Honeycombs" are incentivized to expand their networks, so when engaging with the core team, the focus of discussions shifts to adjusting specific details rather than the sales process.
Network Effects and Adaptability
Jani introduces the concepts of "network effects" and "adaptive culture." He believes that community members can gain corresponding benefits through their participation, and these benefits are proportional to the scale of the community they engage with. Additionally, for projects integrating "Honeycombs," they can quickly tap into an active user base, allowing them to focus more on their own development.
He mentions that the behavior of users holding "Honeycombs" in decentralized finance (DeFi) can be analyzed, providing valuable data support for projects to help teams better understand user needs and market dynamics.
Summary and Outlook
- Finally, DeFi Dave and Jani emphasize that through this new definition of community, the community is not just a passive recipient but an actively participating ecosystem that co-creates value. This model based on cooperation and mutual interests can promote the sustainable development of the community.
Community Phenomena as Cybernetic Organizations
A New Definition of Community
- Jani returns to the discussion of the new definition of "cult." He emphasizes that from their perspective, community resembles a natural system capable of generating dynamic interactions between the digital realm and the real world. He cites the Latin root "cultus," meaning "to cultivate," pointing out that this new definition highlights the self-sustaining ability of communities.
Culture and Community Self-Sustainability
- He mentions that a persistent pattern throughout human history is that self-sustaining cultures and communities can survive in different environments, whether in "summer" or "winter." This self-sustaining ability allows communities to face various challenges. Jani believes that assets and tools derived from cybernetic culture will be more sustainable in the long term than short-lived trends.
The Populism and Absurdism of Finance
- He mentioned that in today's era, the phenomena of financial populism and absurdism are very evident, with many emerging financial tools and assets (such as meme coins) being manifestations of this trend. He believes these assets can be traded but do not necessarily represent lasting value. He compared short-term market fads with long-term sustainability, arguing that the latter is more worthy of investment.
Adaptability and Future Sustainability
- Jani expressed confidence in cybernetic culture, believing that these cultures can persist due to their adaptability. He mentioned that while meme coins may become the latest version of financial absurdism, he prefers to invest his Bitcoin in cultures that are adaptable and capable of sustainable development in the future.
Summary and Outlook
- Finally, he emphasized the importance of understanding communities as cybernetic organizations, as they can maintain vitality and adaptability in a constantly changing environment. This perspective not only helps us understand current market dynamics but also guides us in choosing more sustainable projects for future investment decisions.
Key to Sustaining Community Phenomena
- DeFi Dave asked what the key is to sustaining a community over the long term. He mentioned factors previously discussed, such as shared trauma, collective experiences during tough times, community signals, and inside jokes, and inquired about other aspects that could help communities achieve long-term sustainability.
The Relationship Between Economy and Culture
- Jani responded that the economy plays an important role in the long-term sustainability of communities. He believes that the key to community and culture lies in maintaining some form of coordinated collective effort in different directions. He mentioned that communities need diverse participation mechanisms to support economic flow and engagement.
Sustainability of Closed-Loop Systems
- He further explained that communities with closed-loop systems are more sustainable because value can flow back into the system more effectively. He noted that mechanisms like Bera Chain can create more feedback loops, enhancing the community's self-sustaining capacity.
Participation and Feedback
- Jani emphasized that participants should seek areas where they can focus their efforts, with Bera Chain being an example of such a space. He mentioned that the feedback loops within the community can help members better understand and adapt to their environment, thus maintaining vitality.
Self-Regulation and Diversity
- When discussing how to regulate dopamine levels, Jani shared his experience of gardening, emphasizing the importance of finding a balance between online and offline activities. He noted that engaging in activities with different rhythms helps restore mental health and avoids excessive immersion in high-intensity online activities.
Definition of Culture and Participation
DeFi Dave inquired more about the definition of culture.
Jani stated that he is writing about this topic and mentioned an article he published on Mirror discussing the history and development of Bera Chain culture. He encouraged everyone to explore different communities and find ways to participate that suit them.
Conclusion and Future Outlook
- Finally, DeFi Dave and Jani discussed the future of communities, emphasizing the importance of creating positive feedback loops and diverse participation. They encouraged the audience to explore different communities and platforms to find the culture and participation methods that best suit them.
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